Do You Think Nightwish Was Right By Firing Tarja?

I'm going to have to say that Nightwish was right too. If the band members were so unhappy with Tarja that they no longer enjoy playing together than yes. I'm not a member of the band and there is no way for me to know what really happen between them and Tarja but if they felt they could only go on without her that the most I can do is sit back and support their personal choice.

I said 'Wrong To' because of many things I've heard. Something tells me that there was more to the story than what was publicised in my mind. If they are happy with the decision then so be it. It's just my opinion.

Lady Draconian wrote:

I said 'Wrong To' because of many things I've heard. Something tells me that there was more to the story than what was publicised in my mind. If they are happy with the decision then so be it. It's just my opinion.

I think there was more too. I think there was something between Tuomas and Tarja.

And2DieIsEasy wrote:

Lady Draconian wrote:

I said 'Wrong To' because of many things I've heard. Something tells me that there was more to the story than what was publicised in my mind. If they are happy with the decision then so be it. It's just my opinion.

I think there was more too. I think there was something between Tuomas and Tarja.

That is exactly what I thought and have heard... my cousin used to work for a record company...

Well, I think when a band is unhappy with a member, that member cannot stay there, but since they sent that letter for everyone, I hate Tuomas and his band. I think it wasn't a good way to say to her that they didn't want her singing for NW.

Yes if Tarja was the bitch they say

I think it was the right decision.
It's clear that there were tensions between Tarja and the rest of the band. From what I've read from exacts in the official book, it seems that (I sorry to say) Tarja was getting a little big for her boots. She only wanted to do one more album, it seems clear that her heart just wasn't in it anymore.

Marcelo was obviously another factor, according to the book he demanded more money for tours (including the support for Iron Maiden) which subsequently lead to the bands cancelation. Tarja apparently wasn't even aware of this. Obviously this will piss off any band.

As for the whole 'Tuomas was in love with Tarja, but she rejected him' argument, I personally think it's entirely fiction & invented by the fans.

Key wrote:

I think it wasn't a good way to say to her that they didn't want her singing for NW.

well said! that's why i am so angry with tuomas. it's obvious that he and tarja had problems between them.... he didn't solve them in a propriate way... an open letter is not a good solution. tarja crying in front of the press is not a good view.... tarja was about to live all of them admits that fact. she wanted to make a solo career. she gave them time to find a new singer but they didn't search. they prefered all that drama. but tarja was about to live all the members knew that. she wanted to go solo.

It seems a bit rich to me to say that you don't want to be in the band anymore, you want to do your own thing, but you intend to stick around for another year or so for the next album. If I were in the band I would have being showing her the door as well.

I also more or less agree with the open letter. For Tarja it was a clear indication of what the others (not just Tuomas, it was signed by Emppu, Jukka, and Marco remember) were feeling. It seems like they were past sitting down and discussing the problem(s). I also don't see a problem with Tarja being asked to leave, Tuomas after all asked her to join the band, surely he could do the opposite as well.

And I can see why the letter was made public for the fans. It's so we would know the reasons why. So there wouldn't be endless speculation and rumors. I kind of admire them for sticking their necks out like that, negative remarks about Tarja would certainly have been risky, and no doubt did cost them a lot of fans.

wrong to

they ruined themself

I think they were right to. If they felt that strongly it needed to be done then yes they were right to.

After reading the book I have an even better understanding of why they did it and why they did it by the letter.

They weren't talking to each other, well Emppu was still talking to Tarja and I think if they didnt fire her the whole band would of been miserable, would of barely toured because Tarja didnt want to and they could of possibly split up for good.

I think Marcelo had a bit to do with it, he didnt seem to tell Tarja everything and I guess it caused even greater seperation between them all.

I dont mean to blame anyone, I mean the guys played their part as they were unable to talk things through.

It happened and we cant dwell on it forever. It was right for them.

I'm going to avoid voting on the poll because it's not precise enough for what I think (I posted a related opinion on the Tarja vs Annette thread).

To repeat, I don't have a problem in itself with Tarja being sacked (it's hardly anything new - for example Ozzy Osbourne was once sacked by the other members of Black Sabbath though admittedly for a complete different set of reasons).

Maybe she acted like a bitch.
Maybe Marcelo spoke on her behalf without her prior knowledge.
Maybe Tuomas was in love with Tarja and sacked her out of spite.
Maybe Tarja conspired with Elvis Presley to assassinate JFK.

My problem is with the fact how badly Nightwish handled the whole affair. By all means post an open letter to let fans know the situation but IMO you tell the band member first.

I think they were right..

The letter was published on the website on the 23rd and she opened the letter on the 22nd so she would of read it first and it stopped all rumors about why she was fired or if she was fired or just left by herself.

I wont post on the Tarja or Anette topic. I love them both and I dont think theres much need to carry on comparing them. it's old now.

^I agree,Kellie i hate the comparisions beween them
Well i`m not sure if they were right or wrong.Maybe Tarja was acting wrong or just Tuomas didn`t like her voice anymore not sure
Anyway,overall Anette is good for NW

PaleEnchantress wrote:

wrong to

they ruined themself

They didn't ruin themself. The music is same , the power , the lyrics. Tuomas is their boss! He created Nightwish!
And he choose Anette to be Tarja's replacement! Anette returned NW!

I think it`s just a matter of opinions
And I agree with Ena,the music the lyrics and the passion is simply the same and unique as it always was.Just..the vocalist is diffrent,and some of us may like her some not,again matter of taste.Personally I think Anette is very diffrent than Tarja but her voiuce is very sweet and beautiful and I think it fits with the music.Am I wrong?

No! You're not wrong.
Everyone's different! And me , and you , and people on this forum , and Anette , and Tarja!
Tarja is operatic vocal and Anette is more metal-rock singer.
Both are awesome
I agree with Cris
"the music the lyrics and the passion is simply the same and unique as it always was"

Everything the same , just the vocals are different (and for me better)

Yes I agree,Anette gives just a diffrent dimenssion to the songs,I won`t see anything wrong in that.But again,people have opinions...

Yes , and many are judging her just 'cause this f****** stylist changed her clothes.
(But she didn't wear that clothes. She had goth-rock look in Alyson Avenue , NW(at beginning , and now...damn that stylist is evil!!!!)

Cris...we are spamming again

I'll stop now

For me is yes!

I'm voting they were Right To. If the band was so unhappy with the way Tarja was acting then they should have done something and they did by firing her

Right to! When I watch "End of an Era" DVD and some concerts in 2004 we see that some thing its not great! There's no comparation with the Nightwish that we see in 2000

^I have to agree with that.Tarja sounded better in the Oceanborn/Wishmaster eras because the "classical" style suits her better,but since Century Child she uses more chest voice,while she sounds way better in her head voice and she was also sick during 2003 and 2005 so she didn't sound that good as she used too.But now she sounds defintely great on her solo album